How could you? Because actually, he studied between 20 and 40 different variants of this same paradigm. And as soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments the same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. In 1962, Stanley Milgram shocked the world with his study on obedience. And he is celebrated for it. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. Yeah. Any idea what the hell he was intending? He would deny things. Well, I mean, I know that sir, but I mean, he's up to a 195 volts. According to some accounts, as they crept across no man's land. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? You know, solar energy from the sun to grow crops. But he does it with a kind of amoral athleticism, he does it without humility, without a lot of doubt. Times. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org. So basically, at 6 p.m. on April 22nd-. So every day, they would bring them into this conference room-, This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway-. Look. Warning. Is that- is that nitrogen is trivalent. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. Shoots herself in the chest. But he is a large, very strong man with a black belt in karate. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslem is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. [inaudible 00:59:10] I went back one time before and [inaudible 00:59:13] that I Like I said, I got to give it out, can't keep holding it in. And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get proud number three. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? Fact is if you don't continue, uh, we're going to discontinue the experiment. Unusually so in those times. Well there's something distasteful about the fact that he was too into it, but I do think on some level, you have to divorce the man from his deeds, and you got to ask, "Is the world better with him or without him?" Was he trying to make a commentary, and so was he grappling with something? I don't think I've ever had a fantasy that- that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. So, you don't know. We're going to meet her later. I can't quite place him. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. I got those all at night, mostly. So, let me just get that ov- I mean-, So, again, the baseline study is the one where 65% of the volunteers-. What you know you know. He works for a general. Thanks to all our great storytellers. So, you're saying they're shocking these people because they thought it was worthwhile? He had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. Okay. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts Kittens Kick The Giggly Blue Robot All Summer 2.7K views over 2 years ago 41:58 With the recent passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, there's been a lot of debate about how much power the Supreme Court should really have. Like, you know, "Who are you?". And says, "This is intolerable. And you like her. But, you know, over the entire ocean there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. And then he just trails off. And in January of 1984, the Green River Task Force was formed, and my father was recruited to the task force. Live shows were first offered in 2008. And a mysterious past. You mean they're looking at 20 million people going hungry? They're supposedly chums, but General Othello has no idea that Iago-. Nitrogen is an essential part of amino acids and proteins. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. And I used to socialize with him and- and his wife. He won't answer me or nothing. Haber's gas troops, unscrew, they open the valves on almost 6,000 tanks, containing 150 tons of chlorine. Ear drums, God. The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents to good [inaudible 00:12:29] and plumbers. And I just sat at my desk and started reading these. And, uh, so does Clara. Okay. It's all right. And what is basically like the Baghdad of his time. This actually brings us to the first topic of the hour, so let me Just to set it up. even past when they were screaming in pain. Yes, I did mean to kill. Three, two, one. But harbor saw it as a wonderful success, and wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it, because he felt they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. So, there's a way in which it touch a spark of humanity. "Just wanted to kill them, I just needed to kill them." What you know, you know.". He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. Just a little glimmer. That the earth couldn't support this many people. "Why did you inflict all this suffering on them, on us? According to James, he's not the baddest in Shakespeare or in life because ultimately the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. Radiolab is supported by Audible. And, you know, my view about human nature is that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. But you know, we ended up walking this question around to different people. One that applies smart technologies at scale with purpose and expertise; not just for some, but for all. What does he say? Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. Radiolab is supported by Casper. Eugene [inaudible 01:07:32], Sierra Hahn, and everyone in the manuscript and archives department at the Yale University Library. He's bald, he has a potbelly, he has these pince-nez spectacles, he's chomping on a Virginian cigar, he was always smoking these Virginian cigars and he's wearing a fur coat. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him certifiably to all his crimes. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers, he even schemes against his own wife. Uh, and he finds her actually still alive with her life running out of her. He's standing there on the front, pushing the gas into the lungs of other human beings, admittedly, it's a ware, but still. So these are some word pairs. Who they would kill, where they'd do it, when. And my views about human nature are that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. This is Radiolab. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. We're all great apes. Some- some people described it as a cloud, and then, others described it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land. No motives. That's right. It's like playing dirty. And then he starts this period of roaming. They've got a- a very plausible, very credible high status scientist at a high status scientific institution. I'm going to take a break. Prosecution, [crosstalk 00:12:03] the Attorney General. ", Yes I did need to kill. Fat- commit them to memory? So Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. But I needed to kill her because of that. And you know what? And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. But he does it with a kind of, uh, amoral athleticism. Well the thing that haunts me about the why question is that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. With AI, blockchain, and quantum technology, IBM is developing smart, scalable technologies that help businesses work better together. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. Nice job? She was good to- she was good to me. Well he started fuming that his wife had dissed him, and-. But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. Next, we meet a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil: chemist Fritz Haber, who won a Nobel Prize in 1918around the same time officials in the US were calling him a war criminal. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. You know, this was like oil is today. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. And to bring a few other of our storytellers in. Read these words. Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. Bald on top. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society, he could do anything. No one has ever said about a sex tape that I've ever, so no. And you got to ask is the world better with him or without him? I'll give you bad. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". And he believed it. connect it to this little electrode to your finger. We'll basically bring it to the front, and when the wind is right, we'll just spray it. So he sends a letter to the Ministry of Education resigning, and he leaves Germany. And they're saying, "Have you checked out Job? So wait. And now that we're sort of just on the other side of that. In- in other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell. He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". This is Radiolab and today we're going to get bad. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. And he spends five years and a futile effort-, Sounds insane. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. Telling a friend he felt like he'd lost his homeland. He would obscure. 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. Um, I got a little, uh, I- my- this is my dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. "Definitely yes.". He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. So, he ends up admitting it. And so when I went to the party, the party was already in full swing when I got there. That's one of the things that we need to know. Really, that story has been told a million and one times for the last 50 years. My father's trying to, like, reach out to him. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. It's a pretty (bleep) thing to miss, isn't it really? They wanted someone who was really thrillingly bad, but in the end, was, uh, redeemed a bit. And- and Iago? It's about 1880. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood overall? And she takes a service revolver-. And when you stick a seed, like a wheat seed in the ground. And then the final one-. Because if you ask university undergraduates, "What does the Milgram studies show?" Let me- let me jump just, uh, a quote in front of me. It was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. In fact we hate being told. That's my opinion that's where I'm going to stand on it. Thousands of people have done it before you. Only then does God speak up and kind of say like, "You're going to question me? When you call someone then you're kind of done with them. And is found by her son. We'll be right back [inaudible 00:31:42], let's just finish this series. Because Haber figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground and grew wheat. in the next room just because they're being told to. To feed about 30 million people. And in experiment number four, when the teacher has to hold the learner's hand down-, If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man-. Trim, nice mustache. And when nitrogen and hydrogen bond together, the thing you get-. With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. He is a soldier. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? Radiolab is supported by Casper. And he finds her actually still alive, with the life about to run out of her. Well, the thing that haunts me about the why question that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. I liked her. Clara comes from the same town. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. That's correct. Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. Obviously no need to be alarmed. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. But what you're doing is for the good of Germany, and this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". Yeah. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. The whole thing happened several years ago. They start disagreeing with each other, and this one you get zero percent going all the way. And he says, "Because of the rage." Yeah let's . Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. Hi, my name's Josh and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. I invited him for dinner and as he was in the kitchen looking stupid peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently so that he wouldn't suspect anything. Is an absolute order. Wow. The participants that are there in this study-. The Bad Show Publication date Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:00:00 +0000 We wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. As we continue listening to the Bad Show episode on human nature, our neighbors and ourselves, check out the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker available on Audible. And it's this defense. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. Our food source then moves into our bodies. They're engaged with the task. It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. "Definitely yes.". The one that everybody knows, the so called baseline. And did you go back to the party then and continue dinner partying for a while? Thank you to Jim Shapiro, whose most recent book is called Contested Will. Only 10% under those circumstances go on. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. And you know there's nothing a closet full of clothes to help balance that out. Would change where the shocker and the shock-ee sat. And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. How many of them went into that kind of detail? So in the Milgram case. According to James, he is not the baddest-. The Bad Show. Yes I did lie about that. You know what's going to happen if she [inaudible 01:02:25]. He has these pince-nez spectacles. Here it goes. Really, that story's been told a million and one times for the last 50 years, we've just got to get over it. A hero. It was developed in his Institute. Hmm. The leaves would just sort of shrivel, and the grass was turning to the color of metal. Yes. You know, I'm really proud of Job. 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