Buy Now. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. And that means more powder. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. Mag. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. Ban sober drivers from driving. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. | As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. The SAUM will be built on a long action. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. Minuteman. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. Buy Now. rick smith. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. ammo. They sharpened the shoulder angle. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. Buy Now. Trustpilot. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. I think the 7saum is here to stay. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. 180-gr. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Which action are you using and what barrel length? Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. 22 Nosler. All rights reserved. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. New member question. You are using an out of date browser. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. I just did a 7mm build too. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange It may not display this or other websites correctly. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. JavaScript is disabled. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. at the muzzle. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined Retained mass helps maintain momentum. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. YMMV . The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. The sample Hornady 180-gr. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. Mag. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. Well use a 10-inch diameter target zone for computing Maximum Point Blank Range. The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. $120.95. factory 7mm Rem. $89.95. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. Clear winner. without laser assistance. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. 7RM!! The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. LRHTB. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options Supporter. You are using an out of date browser. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. Ballistic twins. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. bullet wins the wind deflection category. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. Wyoming NR Special increase headed for the Gov's signature, Nutrition/Running/Strength Training/Other Workouts, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. Mag. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. Been looking for a while. You must log in or register to reply here. Barrels are like truck tires. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. Trustpilot. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. .672., MV 2,900 fps. Full Member. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. I went 7SAUM. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. How bout building a 280AI. Categories First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. and a high B.C. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. &mm PRC. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. I wanted an every day backpacking Coues rifle that could do sheep, bears, caribou, goats and the occasional backpacking elk hunt if needed. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. Either is good. Mag. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. I think the 7saum is here to stay. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Trustpilot. It's an extraordinary caliber that has proven itself for decades upon decades, and just in the last few years has hit new strides thanks to the SAAMI standardization of the caliber, because of it's time-tested popularity. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. You must log in or register to reply here. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. Mag. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? These are some impressive numbers. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. And in the chambers of their rifles. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. The difference might surprise you. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. You say it's long action. You are using an out of date browser. Recoil of a 9# Rem. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. Qty: Add to cart. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. This is Not a New Thing. . Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. 224 Valkyrie. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. Want to do 24-26 barrel. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. Trustpilot. . In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Qty: Add to cart . You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. All Rights Reserved. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. $120.95. It may not display this or other websites correctly. So how do you choose among these three? Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. Cartridge: 7 RUM. I'd opt for the 7RM. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. We use cookies to make your experience better. Another vote for 7 rem mag. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. It does have a dark side, though. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. Mag. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. Buy Now. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. Trustpilot. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. Trustpilot. Both were introduced in 2001. ADG 300 PRC Brass. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! 7mm RemMag. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. You go long. Im shooting a 7 stw 1 in 8 twist ( ballistic twin to 28 nosler ) 190's at 3005 fps, and the 195's at 2985 fps both with under .5 moa accuracy. at the muzzle. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. Mag. Mag. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. Rich is a good guy to talk to on the phone we bsd a bit the other day. Diver160651 Who cares. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. $94.95 $79.95. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. 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